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For me that is cocking a hammer first thing just like some folks are trained to flip the safety first. So I am still wondering, since we need training to shoot any variant, would it not be better to train yourself to shoot the variant that has the best trigger action which is a SA gun? From the research that I have done, I seem to recall that there were some police forces that were required to use double action only semi handguns because of safety concerns. However, it a guy is not "forced" to carry a DAO, I still can not see why folks would deliberately buy one.

The DAO has a 9. This pull difference is likely contributable to age and use or just manufacturing differences in the springs used in the year between the manufacturing of the two.

USP trigger pulls do get better with time. The DAO has a half cock notch even though it doesn't have the decocker function. The LEMs do not have the half cock at all. That is one of the reasons they say "consistent" trigger pull.

You may think you are fast cocking the hammer back, and perhaps you are, but any step removed from a sequence for training is better. This is doubly so for stressful situations.

Also, the compacts have bobbed hammers USP anyway. I haven't bothered paying attention to the newer models yet. It basically comes down to method of carry and training. If this is for CC, then by eliminating the control lever, it increases the comfort marginally if you use a IWB holster. Otherwise, the first trigger pull will be the heavier DA. Unless one trains to cock the hammer when presenting. The gain is simplifying the presentation process: once the pistol is drawn, there is no safety to deactivate, no hammer to cock.

With HKs it is easy enough to convert between the different triggers: just be sure to train with what you decide upon. Click to expand OK, I am starting to understand that there are advantages to this system. Thanks fellas for taking the time to explain.

XSubSailor said:. In all honesty, I have a hard time believing that one could reliably and consistently cock a pistol on the draw in a self-defense situation IMO, today's striker-fired pistols offer the best triggers and are easily customizable to the shooter's preferences. They also have the advantage of the same trigger pull on every shot. LEM is a slight compromise over a striker-fired design, with a long trigger pull on the first shot to take out the slack, but it's easily overcome by proper training.

As I said in a previous post, I prefer the hammer-fired design over striker-fired for safety and reliability reasons some may disagree with me on those points however. The simplest way to describe it I guess would be like a lightweight double action pull with a short reset. The reset is going to be closer to the reset on a single action pistol, short and crisp.

So you could say it's a double action trigger with almost that lighter single action feel to it, just longer. Grommit Vancouver. I had a P However I could never get over the horrible trigger in it. When trying to shoot for accuracy in SA it was OK at best for me. But when trying to put a mag quickly on target from the holster I had a terrible time trying to get the DA shot on paper. Always pulled low left. I definitely see the argument of consistency in switching from DA to SA during a string of fire.

Now I drank the glock koolaid and life is happy. The difference in trigger pull weight between both is negligible, and actually feels lighter than SA mode without using a trigger pull scale to measure : maybe a cleaner break?

Totally forgot the OP's proposed P And now I stand corrected. It seems to say the V3 can come with a safety lever. I don't see them offered for sale at HK Parts though. I don't know anything about the decocking "button. The conversion from V3 to V1 on the P series pistols is entirely possible and the parts are available. For a P30L, a heavy hammer spring is required. Depending on the desired trigger weight, a firing pin block spring is needed for the Light LEM.

This change will leave a gap where the decocking button used to be between the frame and hammer. Or one can reuse the original V3 sear with decocker to retain the decocking button. You must log in or register to reply here. Similar threads B. HK USP. Replies 6 Views Today at AM Excavationpro1. Replies 1 Views Today at AM drstrangelove. Replies 10 Views Today at AM BrandonQuixote.

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